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Robert Gillespie
castlebar Road
Ireland F26 RR22

Delphi Lodge Fly Fishing School

Overhead and Spey casting techniques with both single and double handed fly rods.

The progressive nature of rod loading is the axiom upon which all fly casting technique must be built - Peter Anderson

Spey, Shooting head, Skagit.

Pat O'Toole, Myself, Gunther Feuerstein.

Forearm determines plane with both single and double handed rods.

Exercises for control

A fresh Spring Salmon, the ultimate prize for the fly angler. Fish like the one above are stunning to behold.





Extreme negligence, false claims take precedence.
Witch trial grievance procedures.

'Turd in the punchbowl' false examination claims policy introduction.

My recruitment and qualification with Apgai-Ireland only occurred due to their related supposed Professional and National Standards, Code of Conduct for members, their Stated Aims (purportedly) catering for and protecting all Irish persons, in supposedly an all Ireland body. Later they adopted Constitutional clauses containing further guarantees.

However after FFF examination events involving unsuccessful examinations, an aberrant insidiously introduced policy appeared. A policy involving known and demonstrable false claims use about FFF examinations record imposed upon a member (myself) and others, combined with a deliberate, prolonged, and eventually official, indefinite personal exclusion for me from some normal membership rights available to all others. Something I did not sign up to.

I considered this an aberration, and an extremely inappropriate action for any supposed all Ireland or professional body, and also to be representing the most extreme negligence in duty of care possible. A complete breach of membership conditions, a betrayal of recruitment and qualification conditions, yet it was eventually knowingly maintained officially by an supposed E.G.M. committee, after their purported grievance procedure that I had pursued to the full extent of due process, only to experience such standards as someone on a committee investigating themselves. Falsehood use and any type of inequality was clearly known to them at that stage to be an unacceptable extremely problematic issue for someone from my particular Irish society and background, also a known and deliberate, breaching of all stated aims and purpose, code of conduct and the constitutional clauses.

I personally had researched, worded and introduced the constitutional clauses on equality when a member. Those enforcing this aberrant policy did so in full knowledge of its known inevitable disenfranchisement of my membership, did so while holding their factual examination record. Some were also members of the FFF, as I then was.

I therefore made a formal complaint to the then FFF Chair and was then given a Guarantee to halt its progress on their request, and they'd see if anything else occurred they would then correct matters. I took them at their word.

The FFF's / IFFF (now operating as FFI) supposed recruitment and qualification conditions related to me, included their International Standards, Ethics Code and its Introductory Principles, Examination Protocol (purportedly) again to protect membership conditions and rights for all.

Facilitating false examination claims use in grievance procedure
Approximately one year after my prior notification to their Chair, the supposed Ethics code was employed for the official punishing of a member (myself). The required mentioning of examination protocol rules for FFF THCI examiners for my student for an impartial examination, (and absolutely nothing else) was apparently now an offence. Those maintaining unwanted false examinations claims upon others officially, and still in dispute with them over it have compromised themselves on protocol for an impartial examination to those affected by their actions naturally. They are not impartial and in dispute. There is also an issue over a required level of trustworthiness, and ethics code introductory principles.

Punishment was issued for rejecting as would be THCI examiners under THCI examination protocol rules that they formally trained me in, those officially maintaining false claims use about FFF THCI and other examinations upon the student and mentor, and doing so deliberately to the point of known enforced disenfranchisement of membership for the mentor in their own organisation (Apgai-Ireland), after requests, notifications and complaint, also rejected to over other extremely problematic and witnessed examination and other issues, one involving the student during his Master examination.

Punishment issued for factual protocol compromise mention, as I was trained to make known. Issued by a nameless, faceless, totally unaccountable committee, of who knows who? or how many? Operating behind closed doors, in a completely non transparent fashion, after their (supposed) grievance procedure accepted the known and damaging weaponised false claims use as uncompromising or bona fide. Issued while holding the factual examination record, knowing their own ethics code Introductory principles. While not contacting most, if not all, key witnesses provided including two B.O.G. witnesses to past FFF examination issues involving the same group. Without producing any of the (non existent) certification requested for their otherwise considered untenable position by me. In full knowledge of extensive verbal and written submissions they requested and I provided. Those extensive submissions including requests, notifications, complaints, correspondence and resignation letters, publicly printed material contrary to examination record, including some produced after notification and complaint. A previous complaint to their Chair by the member affected (myself). In full knowledge of prior guarantee then given by their then Chair to me approximately one year previously which they then had to breach. In full knowledge of European cultural and lifestyle issue involved regarding any subjection to false claims use. Knowing the student also declined under protocol for three significant issues of his own and exactly what they were, one of which the self same reason as mine.

I was punished for naturally rejecting known falsehood use of others and those imposing it and other vile policy upon me, as bona fide and uncompromising for examination protocol. An entirely unaccountable committee had decided, I consider operating completely outside of normal benchmark criteria in investigation, that there was no problem with its use for myself or others. International standards in duty of care? Normal grievance procedure?

My European culture and society that they had recruited from, views such matters very differently. That was obviously simply of no consequence to them whatsoever, though they were made fully aware of that fact through the verbal and written submissions. That is precisely why they are entirely unfit for purpose in Europe.

The student considered the would be examiner protocol compromised too, on no less than three issues himself, though he escaped a punishment. Perhaps not all members mention of factual protocol issues compromise becomes an offence, Only selected members reference of it is targeted and punished.

I should have known better it would seem, from my FFF official THCI examiner training and printed copy provided for it, or the ethics code introductory principles related, than to not understand that maintained false claims use about examination record upon others to damaging effect is totally bona fide behaviour upon some members. Not to have somehow considered it a compromising issue for an impartial exam for those affected, and with whom the would be examiner(s) were still in unresolved dispute with. In dispute with due to their very own home grown, nurtured, produced in print and forcibly imposed false examination claims, plus other matters the mentor and student were subjected to. Nor was any of this apparently representing any violation of the ethics code introductory principles. Objection to it however by referring to examination protocol, a big problem that needs punished. The false claims allowed, endorsed and actively sanctioned / rubber stamped by a falsehood accepting ethics committee.

One certainly does know that multiple examination attempts were not successful when one is present at the events where they occurred, sometimes standing in the water as an official observer of those examinations. They all knew too at all times, every committee, those conducting their ludicrous enforced pretence otherwise, of a known 'turd in the punchbowl' spoiling capacity for another supposedly in their care. Knowing fully what the consequences at all times were for another person, (no participation with, or acceptance possible) while at all times in possession of their official or personal factual examination records.

The associated bullying and prolonged cyber bullying involved I will not detail here. Suffice to say it occurred. The mocking most especially after the Ethics Committee endorsement of their position and punishment, though this level of 'professionalism' unsurprising and expected at that stage.

The fact now was that unwanted and enforced false examination claims and exclusion however was a supposed Professional, National or International level for some grievance procedure committees. Now officially endorsed and sanctioned by an FFF committee with punishment issued over its questioning or rejection. Punishing a working professional Guide and Instructor, working at a fishing Lodge, and occasionally traveling to teach in Europe, while they were in full knowledge of no certification existing for their imposed position. Allowing for potential damage of my reputation. Also disenfranchisement occurring by necessity.

They now hold the subsequent resignation letters and letters of complaint for their breaches of trust placed. I do trust that sometime that record will be useful for official purposes or regulation in Europe. It is in need of it. I must now protect my reputation as they didn't.

From my personal experiences of membership with Apgai-Ireland and the FFF, all supposed constitutional or membership rights were in actuality fiction, only window dressing to be circumvented at will. I had been duped into joining Apgai-Ireland. Any claimed membership conditions or rights were actually simply either a mob rule vote or two away from being ignored and discarded, or an unprofessional kangaroo court grievance procedure away from being overruled or ever so casually removed entirely. All without any accountability whatsoever, not even answering a single subsequent question. Not providing any certification requested or explanation. No minutes, nothing. Mob rule removal of the constitution for an individual. The FFF no better, rights removed via procedures not using even basic, standard or normal benchmark criteria in investigation, issuing punishment while they hold their factual examination record. Accepting unprofessional, unwanted and opposed falsehood use to the contrary upon individual members by other members as uncompromising and bona fide. Mention of ethics code and protocol by those affected actively punished. Any body with grievance procedure standard accepting needless and culturally inappropriate false claims use maintained to known to damaging effect upon one of their members, is unfit for purpose. No one would ever have agreed to subject themselves to the heads they win tails you lose witch trial methods masquerading as grievance procedure in both organisations with any prior knowledge.

Fly Casting Matters

The phrase 'fly casting matters' essentially has two meanings. Any specific aspect of fly casting technique or tackle, is an individual fly casting matter.

As an overall or an all encompassing phrase, good fly casting technique and ability really matters for fly fishing most effectively, and for the better enjoyment of fly fishing.

A fly rod and fly line are in effect a vehicle with which you will transport the fly to the fish, just as a car is a vehicle which will transport you somewhere provided you are able to control and drive it. If you can't drive at all, or are yet unable to drive properly, a vehicle is not as much use to you personally as it could be. Nor would you be able to discern properly the differences between a good vehicle, and a poorer vehicle. Personal control over driving ability is a necessary pre requisite for that discernment and to have the best use from a vehicle. So it is also with fly casting.

Fly casting is a very subtle and generally a counter intuitive skill. Its not easy to learn to do it right but it is easy when you can. I do not teach people anything I thought up myself. I personally traveled and was formally trained in various fly casting techniques from various World class fly casting mentors when I was younger.

Many of the formal training techniques and practices for effective fly casting and line control that I learned from others, and the logic behind their use are what I teach. For instance the incline exercise progression, or the half lift exercise.

Loop Morphology

There are many different things that matter in fly casting, and it is also always a combination of compound movements in applying and directing leverage, and the effect of those compound movements on the rod and line, therefore the properties of the rod and line must first be understood.

It all relates to directing the line through controlling
loop morphology - loop shape and loop formation. Most importantly to achieve control over this with efficiency, with economy of effort.

Economy of effort or efficiency only comes from correct technique like for instance through using the right type of leverage and a balancing of the stroke so that the main power application occurs in our comfort zone - bio mechanically speaking.
Instructor qualifications

It is very, very important to always note that any person may be completely unqualified by any certifying body, and be a truly world class fly caster and a world class fly casting Instructor.

Also I have seen that qualifications do not necessarily mean much, they do not signify that you are a better caster than someone without them, though that may or may not be the case. They just show that you reached a certain standard - sometimes. That may depend on who conducted the examination and the circumstances involved.

Personally I was practicing and teaching Scottish style fly casting techniques in single and double hand fly casting for 18 years before taking any examination certificate anywhere. I was however trained by Peter Anderson. I was the same caster overall before I obtained five casting certifications within one year as I was afterwards. Naturally, specifically practiced for the various examination tasks on the syllabai. I did not change any in technique, I did learn to use different terminology to describe it.

Excluding E.F.F.A. examinations, most qualifications will not compare to the lifetime of experience I had working as a Ghillie and fly casting Instructor on a large river with both single and double handed rods. Nor also especially to the formal training in a casting style I received long ago from Scotland's Peter Anderson when he was in his prime, and from the long term practice of the exercises involved in that teaching. From importing knowledge since then from others too, from those that truly knew their subject intimately from long experience, and in more modern times from some competition casters.

The Casting often is the Fishing

For me,
as fly casting is the practical means through which we present the fly or flies, and a fly rod and line are the tools and in effect the vehicle used to deliver the fly, then it really is absolutely of the most significant importance in Game Angling and fly fishing to be able to use the rod and line effectively and efficiently, and to be able to fly cast well.

Apart from the necessity and the practical fishing benefits, there's also really a great deal of satisfaction to be had from achieving fine tuned control of fly casting.

I have often said to people very seriously that in fact ...
"the casting is the fishing."... Having Ghillied part or full time for thirty years I have a fairly qualified opinion on that statement. I'm unconcerned too with what some others say about casting ability not being important for fishing. Long practical experience has made it very, very clear to me just how important it is.

I've seen casting ability, or indeed a lack of it, make all the difference many, many times. Its an indisputable asset to be able to cast well in wild fish Game angling. I've often witnessed good, and indeed on occasion truly great, wild fishing opportunities occurring due to natural events and conditions combining to produce very special circumstances, circumstances then quite unable to be capitalised upon properly by some due to poor casting ability, and due to the serious problems it created for achieving an effective presentation. At such times also I've seen a few people really able to shine and enjoy the full benefit of the opportunity offered by nature due to their fine tuned casting skills.

In the beginning its most important to be able to function with a fly rod on the river, Lough / Loch, lake, pond, estuary or sea no matter the bank we are on, the wind direction or strength, the current, or if wading deep, from a boat, single or double-handed rod, whatever. We must first learn how to function consistently and effectively for practical fishing purposes. Its a process, once one gets started correctly with a proper basic technique, through practice and experience skill will develop.

Exercise Repetition, a Philosophy and Methodology of teaching fly casting.

Exercise repetition

One of the real benefits of using a practical repedative exercise system is that there is less time until the technique has to be used again than on real casts, therefore re practice of the technique and any adjustment for correction is very immediate as multiple uses of a technique are made in a shorter time. Therefore for a given practice period more repetitions of the particular element focussed upon by the exercise occur.

The style of casting I learned at various courses is mainly taught through an exercise system. It is also an old school, long term learning, system, no quick fix outside of exercise repetition over time was on offer, or indeed expected.

The only and best short cut is practice of the exercises, and of course learning them and the casting from someone who already knows them, and this style well. The
targeted exercises are repeated until perfection of form and fluency with them refines the basic foundational techniques.

For Instance once a technically correct D loop forming move is learned, it is a common element on the set up phase of all Spey casts.
The improvement from correctly using micro wrist in the tip casting exercise for single handed overhead casting is invaluable and will be carried over to and incorporated into all your overhead casting afterwards.

Even when experienced, the exercises are still often practiced to maintain absolute fluency with the foundations, upon which the rest of fly casting technique is built.

The discipline required in performing the counter intuitive exercises ultimately creates personal control of ones compound movements in applying leverage and stroke, and importantly the freedom in choice in determining ones compound movements to maintain control over things like making and directing a smooth acceleration. They ensure one is no longer a slave to any motor function or a habit, both of which are changed. They help create the ability to execute important counter intuitive actions.

As Aristotle once correctly stated,
"through discipline comes freedom."

The formal training methodology might sound a bit harsh, but in fact it is interesting and very rewarding. Interesting because one discovers the fundamental principles of how a fly rod works and correctly using it's inherent properties. Rewarding because it is a revelation how beneficial it is to apply those techniques and the properties of the rod in practical fishing casting for economy of effort.

Even some of the exercises are such a joy to master themselves and to practice, particularly the incline exercise progression for Spey casting techniques, and also tip casting with a single hand rod. They are addictive exercises to practice once a feel for them is gained. Theres such a buzz and an invaluable improvement from practicing and mastering exercises for their own sake too.

The incline exercises really ensure the ability of the person to become bottom hand dominant in double handed rod power application, and also to attain mastery of off side casting (rather than reverse or 'cack handed' casting).

One often does hear the really very mistaken generalisation made by some Scandinavian style casters who perhaps don't also long line Spey cast, that traditional Scottish Spey casting is a top hand dominant technique. It gets a bit tiresome hearing that unqualified generalisation repeated. It is not so with most competent Spey casters I have met. I learned from more than one notable in Scotland, none of them were top hand dominant in power application when they used a long stroke. One can easily combine a long stroke with bottom hand dominant power application, due to applying first class leverage. That is exactly what I was taught there from the beginning.

Exercises are not casts, but when the fluency of technique attained form them is incorporated into casting technique later they make a profound difference.

Learning this way focuses not only on being able to function well in real world practical fly casting situations, which is of course of primary importance, (thus line height management behind is always an issue), but also on continuing to develop further on a solid foundation built in correct technique. The foundation is placed in order to function first, but with the ultimate aim of achieving the efficiency, economy of effort and understanding that enables advanced fly casting.

After first learning how to function with a degree of consistency, there may then also appear onto some another step to be taken. One entailing gaining fine control over loop shape and loop morphology.
Truly efficient fly casting technique may indeed become a most graceful art form, just as Norman Maclean's Father noted and understood. A step further again than functional fly casting may be taken, a step further from a deeper understanding through experience and practice, primarily from realising how not to interfere with the excellence of the rod. How to allow the rod and line to release their own inherent properties and attributes for you.

When the clear, simplicity and logic of precise technique and its benefits really becomes perceived, appreciated and used it is a most beautiful thing indeed, both to see and to practice. Most especially how relaxed precision in applying and carefully directing, smooth compound movements for leverage, the effects of doing that and just how interconnected and interdependent everything is really perceived, felt and understood. How one thing leads on to another and compliments another.

Ultimately it is not just about getting a line out but actually just exactly how you do that in utilising the properties of the rod efficiently, ergonomically, and in regard to loop morphology (loop formation and shape). All these aspects becoming supremely important and controlled from experience and understanding.

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Long stroke Fulcrum style final delivery in a casting Competition, Ukraine. Combined left and right Single Spey casts, 45 degree angle change.
......."The progressive nature of rod loading is the axiom upon which all fly casting technique must be built."....... Peter Anderson.
......."Lead before speed"....... Peter Anderson.

In terms of control I consider Goran Andersson's
original Underhand casting style an absolute art form as he practiced it, and something well worth learning, and learning well.

Long stroke Spey casting with long belly lines is of course a different discipline and for me the highest and most demanding skill of all, most especially if done with the bottom hand and body dominant in power application. It is also the most rewarding.

I find the bell curve analogy a good test or measure of control. Can one go from one extreme to the other? Can one cast say a double-handed rod and medium to long belly Spey line well with, as far as possible, a top hand dominated power application during the stroke? then also cast the same outfit with as far as possible a bottom hand dominated power application during the stroke? Only then you will be able to have a qualified opinion about the differences, but really only then.

Sometimes I have said to people to cast in such and such a way and they have not been able to do it, yet they were expressing an opinion about what they in fact could not actually physically do themselves just beforehand. Such is life. In Karate an obvious belt designated your real level of ability, yellow belts didn't tell brown or black belts with stripes on them what they considered about the finer points of some advanced technique. They kept quiet until and unless they were able to do it well themselves. Can one isolate and separate things in the one arm? like separating making an acceleration from excessive power application? Maintain a fast, true acceleration but remove most of the power, or any sudden jar or thump?

A fly rod is so easy to mis use.

Owing to circumstances beyond my control, it became necessary for me to resign as a fully qualified member from two certifying organisations due to their, in my experience, disenfranchising modi operandi. The Apgai-Ireland organisation and the FFF / IFFF.

I understand what does not constitute proper or acceptable standards of stewardship for either myself or my students.

I have very strongly held views on the standards of how all others should, and indeed must, be treated. Most especially I believe these standards should be maintained by any group, body or organisation taking upon themselves any mantle of responsibility whatsoever concerning the stewardship and well-being of others.

Counter Intuitive
To cast well or efficiently with a fly rod is generally counter intuitive as John Maclean well noted. It is very much an acquired skill. Its one that I consider needs to be built upon correct foundations.

Although we start to fly cast simply to fish, we may also find that to cast well, or to improve our casting ability, becomes somewhat of an interest in itself. We may find that achieving greater control, through better understanding of technique from experience, is a very rewarding and satisfying development. It also greatly enhances our fly fishing capability and the enjoyment of fly fishing. In fact the art of fly casting while fishing, or indeed for its own sake without fishing, becomes extremely enjoyable.

Gaining more control over fly casting technique is a little like building a jigsaw puzzle. Once some basic parts are in place and are fine tuned to the point that they do not have to be thought about any more, so we can concentrate on getting another aspect correct. It then is eventually fully controlled, then another aspect is concentrated upon, and so on. We find that with focused changes, things may become much better or more efficient for us. Greater and more relaxed control is acquired.

Sometimes new techniques or variations on the theme are tried and either incorporated or rejected depending on the outcome. A learning curve is followed, an interesting and rewarding learning curve which may often involve importing tips and information from others, or sharing tips and information with others.

Personally although I had fly cast from eight years old in Ireland, I travelled to become formally trained in fly casting at various courses in Scotland and England and to import knowledge from those that had recognised ability.
To the uninitiated fly casting looks easy, its only when a person picks up a fly rod, either a single or double handed rod and tries to use one that they will realise how counter intuitive it actually is. It is an acquired skill, just like Guinness is an acquired taste. Now I don't like Guinness personally but I do love fly casting.

Most people have seen the film “A River Runs Through It.” In the book by Norman Maclean, the Maclean boys' father, (John Norman Maclean), believed that anybody who did not know how to fish (fly cast), should not be allowed to disgrace a fish by catching it.

He also considered that someone picking up a fly rod who never used one before proved factually and theologically that man by nature was a damned mess, that he had fallen from a state of grace, and only by picking up God's rhythms were we able to regain power and beauty. That all good things come by grace, and grace comes by art, and art does not come easy.

Now personally I do admire that 'old school' thinking and approach to things. Game fishing for wild brown trout and Atlantic salmon with a fly rod practically demands this type of respect most of the time. That is in fact the attraction with Game fishing and fly casting. If it was easy it would lose a considerable part of its appeal. In fly casting especially for me there is the necessary requirement of self discipline for gaining control.

Fly Casting Elements

Though I had fly cast from a very early age, I was retaught in an uncompromising fashion (thankfully), by Peter Anderson when about 25 years old.

Some essential elements were prioritised as foundational and for fine tuning It was ensured that they were correctly practiced to the point of becoming automatic, and are then carried through all of technique. He had a complete and very logical system of fly casting based on exploiting the rods inherent properties and simple, logical physics. Both single and double handed rods share the same inherent properties.

We had our own terminology I used for years before encountering American terminology. Such as 'straight line incline.' 'Channel all the energy and line momentum as much as possible in the one overall direction'. 'Mainly position change' and 'mainly angle change.' 'Lead before speed.' 'Don't allow the rod tip to drop behind during the power application.' 'Make an acceleration' A basic overhead casting stroke using a mainly position change merging into a mainly angle change to a stop, made along a straight line incline. The acceleration at the end of the stroke by rod tip speed then keeping the line moving in that same overall direction. Specifically not letting the rod tip drop down behind during the power application phase on the back cast due to incline use of the hand or hands as leverage is applied, nor letting the rod tip drop on Spey cast D loop forming move after it passes your position. Keeping in plane throughout the casting stroke. An incline is not an arch, an arch is your arch enemy. Continuous motion casting. e.t.c. e.t.c.

One essential element for instance always making a true acceleration on the forward cast being one of the most important techniques to master. Anyone casting into a wind will soon realise the importance of this technique and any shortcoming in the practice of it. Evident sometimes too when people attempt a roll or Spey cast forward cast, unless there is a progressive build up the line skips out of the water backwards on them, usually into scrub on the bank.

A mainly position change initial movement into a mainly angle change movement to a stop on the back or forward casting stroke as a foundational stroke is important. Simple to say but keeping the very controlled small wrist movement angle change to the end with a single hand rod seems to defeat a lot of people. Moving the single hand rod with a maintained locked arm wrist angle at the start also seems to be troublesome for some initially.

Other aspects I have appreciated more over time and with experience like the type of leverage applied where and when, like his statement that "the progressive nature of rod loading is the axiom upon which all fly casting technique must be built." His phrase "Lead before speed" is about ensuring an acceleration on the forward casting stroke and pre load of the rod from the main position change of the rod before the main controlled angle change of the rod to a stop.

This formal training via exercises like 'the half lift' that I received directly from Peter Anderson, on the Spey and in Ireland, is mainly what I now teach others. The most crucial exercise for Spey casting that I teach though is mainly based on what I learned from James Chalmers.
Personally I believe in giving myself the very best chance in the generally uncompromising sport of game angling through letting the fish see the fly with the right presentation first time. This means gaining full control over what happens with the rod and line, including fly turnover. I don't want an Atlantic salmon for instance to see my fly at all unless its seeing it with the right presentation the first time it sees it, (depth, fly water speed, and angle of presentation for the water speed). I don't want the initial novelty factor of the appearance and presence of the fly wasted through an incorrect presentation from a poorly made cast, or from any lack of line control. I don't want to alert any trout or salmon that there's obviously a fly line crashing around before they notice the fly.


Adverse winds are really the great test of whether a person truly has control over their fly casting technique for fishing purposes or not. In the West of Ireland the mountains often channel the winds coming in from the Atlantic. So many times I witness people unable to deal with wind on the river through poor fly casting technique, particularly with their forward cast. Some salmon anglers are unable to change uppermost hand on a double handed rod to cast on their off side when wind suits that requirement. Or with a single handed rod, to then use the other hand on the rod to cast, or use the high back hand power hauling technique with their normal rod hand on their off side (a most useful single hand cast for that circumstance).

That is in fact the deeper attraction of fly fishing for some, the real challenge it presents even to get a fly out there consistently in the first place and the line management control afterwards to fish the fly or retrieve the line, the long term learning involved. If it was too easy, then it would not have the same appeal. Good fly casting is a very subtle art form indeed.
The first deviation from the norm appearing in print from Apgai-Ireland with introduced printed false claims use about their FFF examination record, and other associated unconstitutional aberrations in policy that manifested themselves, it was truly what is referred to as a 'turd in the punchbowl' on very many levels. Eventually required compliance from me with the maintained false claims unaltered and the other aberrant associated policy including my personal exclusion from rights available to others was required and insisted upon despite my notifications, requests and complaint to the full extent of due process. Imposed with the full knowledge that it was an unconstitutional demand for anyone, and created an impossible situation for someone from my background. Rather than resolve the problem by returning membership conditions back to those in keeping with the constitution and stated aims related for recruitment, they knowingly refused to provide those conditions thus enforcing disenfranchising my membership rights and certification with them. They carry the full resignation and complaint correspondence involved. I ensured a written record of correspondence.

Those responsible were also members of the FFF, and the FFF were then informed via complaint from me. I was given a guarantee from the then Chair of the FFF.

Later when a student of mine was prepared for his FFF THCI examination with myself as his mentor, After I had been formally trained in THCI protocol by the FFF as an examiner. The main person responsible for the aberrant policy in Apgai-Ireland was refused as a co examiner when he extremely disingenuously stepped forward in some pretence or attempt to be so. Refused due to the unresolved dispute over the enforced policy affecting others he was presiding over, the unresolved actions against the mentor, another quite similar matters against the student also making him considered not an impartial broker under protocol requirements, and yet another matter again. One of the grounds for objection witnessed by two B.O.G.'s and occurring previously during the students Master examination. All properly cited by the student as compromising THCI examination protocol requirements for a position as a co examiner. Also adding that he surely must be aware of his unsuitability on protocol requirements.

While actually still officially imposing the falsehood unaltered about FFF THCI and other examinations they, (Apgai-Ireland), then made a complaint against the mentor (myself) to the FFF over this examination protocol issue cited. Doing so although they had already knowingly caused the personal loss of my certification because I would not be coerced into accepting their aberrant policy involving false claims about examination record.

An entirely malicious complaint in my opinion. There may not be any other ethics investigation or committee in the world that would uphold a right for some to impose unwanted false claims about examinations upon other members to damaging malign effect as a legitimate practice. The FFF however is one exception. Notwithstanding their supposed ethics code and its supposed very introductory principles, supposed examination protocol requirements, or any duty of care responsibilities, they will not only entertain such a complaint in full knowledge of the facts of imposed falsehood, they decided that the qualified THCI examiner trained by them citing factual protocol issues to his student will be considered as a punishable offence. A fabricated offence for supposedly 'speaking' about others whom imposed examination falsehood upon him. They also knew how and why the student refused the person on three counts of his own, and they knew what those counts were. I also had informed them personally of that via verbal submission to the investigation, including the B.O.G. witnesses to it and to other examination issue the B.O.G's discovered themselves.

They still issued punishment for citing protocol while fully informed of all the evidence and facts through extensive verbal and written submissions. While holding complaint correspondence, while holding their factual examination records and all the printed material and brochure to the contrary, prior notification and complaint from me to their Chair approx one year previously, a known guarantee then given from their Chair to me at the time, the known loss of other certification due to their actions.

A nameless, faceless, and unaccountable to anyone supposed ethics committee, operating behind closed doors in a non transparent fashion, not using normal benchmark criteria over falsehood use, conducting an investigation not contacting most if not all key witnesses, accepting and indeed officially condoning imposed falsehood use for others they should be protecting, ignoring the extensive bullying and cyber bullying involved. Issuing punishment against all of the evidence requested and provided for nothing whatsoever outside of their own protocol requirements. I consider it utterly shameful. All subsequent questions unanswered, total unaccountability other than they don't care if you resign.

This occurred deliberately and knowingly, in absolute full knowledge of all the issues and malign consequences involved, despite requests notifications and complaint to the full extent of due process They always gave themselves permission. The aberrant practices permitted, or even endorsed by others and taking precedence over every supposed duty of care responsibility. This would occur in the most perfidious way, via supposed grievance procedures. Those not using normal benchmark criteria in investigation, not even contacting key witnesses. Sometimes a committee contained a person investigating themselves. Some entirely unaccountable and refusing to answer normal queries on their position.
Unprotected membership rights. False examination Claims.
As a fully qualified and examining member of Apgai-Ireland and the FFF / IFFF now FFI, my membership was disenfranchised via the known enablement of false examination claims use and other illegitimate policy involving inequality, or endorsement of it. I naturally would not be conformed or made subject to this extraordinarily inappropriate, unconstitutional, unethical and bogus development. This is a known requirement in my particular Irish / European culture and society, a fact they were all fully aware of, and whom they claimed to cater for.

My supposed claimed membership rights were in fact completely unprotected in both bodies. The known and demonstrable false examination claims use and exclusion was either permanently imposed, or fully endorsed through their entirely redundant and worthless (supposed) grievance procedures. An illegitimate and arrogated right for some to use and maintain false examinations claims after their unsuccessful FFF examinations, along with personal exclusion upon another member (myself) against express wishes and complaint, was either fully facilitated and officially permitted, or knowingly endorsed as bona fide, uncompromising practice.

An expected personal compliance with this depraved, intolerable yet imposed policy, then took pre-eminence and precedence over all else, over all claimed membership conditions and inherent duty of care responsibilities in both bodies. The known inevitable cultural failure to comply with this illegitimate, deviant policy, was officially overruled, or indeed even actively punished by an supposed FFF 'ethics committee.' A resulting weaponised and targeted practice of official false claims legitimisation and acceptance used.

I found In my utterly appalling experience of the extensive, prolonged, bullying and cyber bullying involved, that there was no Professional, no National, nor any International standard used in those wholly unaccountable dictatorial bodies. Only the deliberate overruling of legitimate objections to the point of causing known disenfranchisement. A very deliberate, willful action, and one at extreme variance with any normal or reasonable duty of care. A standard I consider unfit for purpose, and absolutely outside of the normal values in European cultures and society, or in civilised society anywhere.

It is difficult to find words to describe those knowingly imposing unwanted false claims upon another they recruited, and in their supposed care, to known disenfranchisement. Or for an supposed 'ethics committee' issuing punishment upon a member for rejecting imposed false examination claims use and personal exclusion as somehow legitimate practice upon those affected regarding examination protocol. Doing so while actually holding their factual examination records, in full knowledge of the culturally inappropriate and official use of the false examination claims use upon another member to cause enforced disenfranchisement, and their own supposed code's very introductory principles for members. Their actions however do speak volumes for them, and speak much louder than words can.

'Extreme negligence, false claims take precedence,' below.